vista u prices

Here's some discussion of Vista U's cha-ching pricing:
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/
About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

Yeh for me looks like open office will be in the future...really dont need the ultimate stuff...doubt if I ever used more than 10 % of Office XP bells and whistles in my home office.
As for Vista well I guess only if I change PCs and its preinstalled...for now XP looks pretty good for another 2-3 years
Bill
"Geeter" wrote in message

Here's some discussion of Vista U's cha-ching pricing:
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/
About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

Have you seen the new Office demo? Microsoft has worked very hard to bring that 90% you don't use to the fore, so you don't have to go drilling down dialogue boxes and menus to get anything done. I think many people will be interested in the new office as, unlike the upgrades ever since Office 95 or 97, it is truly a real upgrade and a better way to word process. Check it out on Microsoft's website.
Bill wrote: | Yeh for me looks like open office will be in the future...really dont need | the ultimate stuff...doubt if I ever used more than 10 % of Office XP | bells and whistles in my home office. | | As for Vista well I guess only if I change PCs and its preinstalled...for | now XP looks pretty good for another 2-3 years | | Bill | | | "Geeter" wrote in message | || Here's some discussion of Vista U's cha-ching pricing: || || http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/ || || About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! || But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth || it. :) || || I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although || it || may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay || with || Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

I think I have seen it.
I also have the beta...dont care much for the ribbon thing but could live with it...A basic thing that threw me with office 2007 was how to open a file...simple but it wasnt there...imagine having to use the help to find out the logo/icon in the top left is a drop down menu with basic commands...that should have been a ribbon too if they wanted some consistency. I eventually found out how to add a shortcut for this on the toolbar. Bill
"Geeter" wrote in message

Have you seen the new Office demo? Microsoft has worked very hard to bring that 90% you don't use to the fore, so you don't have to go drilling down dialogue boxes and menus to get anything done. I think many people will be interested in the new office as, unlike the upgrades ever since Office 95 or 97, it is truly a real upgrade and a better way to word process. Check it out on Microsoft's website.
Bill wrote: | Yeh for me looks like open office will be in the future...really dont need | the ultimate stuff...doubt if I ever used more than 10 % of Office XP | bells and whistles in my home office. | | As for Vista well I guess only if I change PCs and its preinstalled...for | now XP looks pretty good for another 2-3 years | | Bill | | | "Geeter" wrote in message | || Here's some discussion of Vista U's cha-ching pricing: || || http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/ || || About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! || But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth || it. :) || || I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although || it || may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay || with || Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

I will wait until it Microsoft announces it on PressPass. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Geeter" wrote in message

Here's some discussion of Vista U's cha-ching pricing:
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/
About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise Agreement.
My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an additional license for that machine. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tom Lake" wrote in message

About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..
Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

ADC [Mon, 29 May 2006 08:46:47 -0700]:

the MSDN license agreement, (Office) is not suppose to be used on production systems

For Office that does not apply. The msdn version of that comes with a regular license, too. It could change. A lot has.
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My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April. "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise Agreement.
My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an additional license for that machine. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tom Lake" wrote in message About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..
Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

Test/demonstration only, no production work. Also for the subscriber only and no one else.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message

My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April.

To a large degree, MSDN is 10, but some items are unlimited. Test/Demonstration only with an exception for one installation of Office for production use. In all cases, use is for the subscriber only and no one else. Each individual using must have their own subscription.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise Agreement.
My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an additional license for that machine. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tom Lake" wrote in message About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..
Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

In some cases, Company's can supplement their software media with MSDN instead of using the Volume License Media kit. I should been more specific, a single license only allows one install on one developer/test machine, I don't know how your licensing works and how it allows up to 10 installs, unless it purchased with 10 licenses to be installed on 10 systems. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message

My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April. "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise Agreement.
My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an additional license for that machine. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tom Lake" wrote in message About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..
Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: | | | My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not | suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if | you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an | additional license for that machine. |
No, that's not how MSDN subscriptions work. The licence is to the subscriber. I can run around putting Windows on a bunch of machines so I can develop/test etc. software. It is user, not machine based - although activation per Windows version is limited up to ten machines.
It's an interesting licence. Here's an example of a not-current one:
http://msdnaa.oit.umass.edu/Neula.asp

Andre; You need to read the MSDN EULA since you clearly do not understand MSDN licensing. AFAIK, one is not written anywhere but 10 and more installations are acceptable depending on the specific product. The MSDN Master EULA supersedes the EULA of the product.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

In some cases, Company's can supplement their software media with MSDN instead of using the Volume License Media kit. I should been more specific, a single license only allows one install on one developer/test machine, I don't know how your licensing works and how it allows up to 10 installs, unless it purchased with 10 licenses to be installed on 10 systems. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April. "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise Agreement.
My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an additional license for that machine. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tom Lake" wrote in message About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..
Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

Haven't seen anything official from Microsoft as far as prices go. Has anyone seen a press release from MS in regards to this?
-- Jason
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Geeter" wrote in message

Here's some discussion of Vista U's cha-ching pricing:
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/
About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..

Jason; I don't think Microsoft has said anything. What we see are rumours and assumptions, nothing more, and they should be treated accordingly.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Jason" wrote in message

Haven't seen anything official from Microsoft as far as prices go. Has anyone seen a press release from MS in regards to this?
-- Jason
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

what happens if i install it on my dads or sisters computer or my computer or if im not a developer which im not? "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Test/demonstration only, no production work. Also for the subscriber only and no one else.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April.

I'm not saying this to sound arrogant but unless micrsoft gives me my $700 back I don't see how they can stop me from using my MSDN subscription until it expires next year and even then the software is mine because I paid the $700 for it unless again microsoft refunds it to my checking account. "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Test/demonstration only, no production work. Also for the subscriber only and no one else.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April.

Nothing. But you might be in violation of the EULA or MEULA. Check the docs and try to bring your household into compliance if possible. You may have "retail" licenses that could count toward what's on their computers and need not be concerned.
You don't have to be a developer to use the software legitmately according to the MEULA. You can be a designer, developer, programmer, tester and/or demonstrator and use the software legitmately. That's a pretty wide swath ..
michael e dziatkowicz wrote: | what happens if i install it on my dads or sisters computer or my computer | or if im not a developer which im not? | "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message | || Test/demonstration only, no production work. || Also for the subscriber only and no one else. || || -- || Jupiter Jones [MVP] || http://www3.telus.net/dandemar || http://www.dts-l.org || || || "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message || ||| My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on ||| 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April.

michael e dziatkowicz wrote:

what happens if i install it on my dads or sisters computer or my computer or if im not a developer which im not? "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
Test/demonstration only, no production work. Also for the subscriber only and no one else.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message
My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April.

Lightning might strike you dead.

Other than that, nothing! Frank

So an MSDN subscriber can download Vista and then install it on whatever pc they will be using as a test system? All they do is download, burn to dvd and with that product key just install it on a test system? Is that right?
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

To a large degree, MSDN is 10, but some items are unlimited. Test/Demonstration only with an exception for one installation of Office for production use. In all cases, use is for the subscriber only and no one else. Each individual using must have their own subscription.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise Agreement.
My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, if you install software from it on another machine, you have to purchase an additional license for that machine. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tom Lake" wrote in message About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! But it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth it. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. Although it may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay with Server 2003 (as a workstation) ..
Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN subscription!
8^)
Tom Lake

Yes, or install Vista from the CD also sent as part of the subscription.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"AMDX2" wrote in message

So an MSDN subscriber can download Vista and then install it on whatever pc they will be using as a test system? All they do is download, burn to dvd and with that product key just install it on a test system? Is that right?
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message To a large degree, MSDN is 10, but some items are unlimited. Test/Demonstration only with an exception for one installation of Office for production use. In all cases, use is for the subscriber only and no one else. Each individual using must have their own subscription.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org

Nothing stops anyone from using your subscription IAW the EULA. To a large degree, Microsoft trusts subscribers to follow the agreement they have already accepted. It is up to the integrity of the individual.
Installing anything from MSDN on a computer for others to use is a violation of the MSDN EULA.
The license for the subscriber to use the components of the subscription never expires. When the subscription expires, you stop getting new material and lose some support.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message

I'm not saying this to sound arrogant but unless micrsoft gives me my $700 back I don't see how they can stop me from using my MSDN subscription until it expires next year and even then the software is mine because I paid the $700 for it unless again microsoft refunds it to my checking account. "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Test/demonstration only, no production work. Also for the subscriber only and no one else.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message My msdn liscence tells me I can install my operating system software on 10 machines. I bought my liscence in April.

Yup. When you first get your subscription, Microsoft sends a whole bunch of CDROMs and DVDs in CD-ROM suitcases so you may find that there's not much that burning to do.
Thereafter you may install each and every one of the operating systems on up to ten computers each. That's a fair bit of operating system. And there's no limit to the number of times you can activate them. And instead of the usual thirty days, they don't require activation for sixty days.
Plus you get full Visual Studio Pro and SQL Server and so on if you get the MSDN Professional.
For anyone developing, programming, tinkering etc. etc. an MSDN (OS or Pro) subscription at least once makes a lot of sense. And a big business using the enterprise stuff can get MSDN ENterprise (although it is a bit pricey).
AMDX2 wrote: | So an MSDN subscriber can download Vista and then install it on whatever | pc they will be using as a test system? All they do is download, burn to | dvd and with that product key just install it on a test system? | Is that right? | | | "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message | || To a large degree, MSDN is 10, but some items are unlimited. || Test/Demonstration only with an exception for one installation of Office || for production use. || In all cases, use is for the subscriber only and no one else. || Each individual using must have their own subscription. || || -- || Jupiter Jones [MVP] || http://www3.telus.net/dandemar || http://www.dts-l.org || || || "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message || ||| Rumours are the Premium and consumer editions of Windows Vista such as ||| Home Premium, Ultimate and Home Basic will not be a part of Volume ||| License and MSDN subscriptions because of the risk of licensing abuse ||| from these programs. You will be required to purchase them only through ||| OEM (new pc, qualifying hardware) and Retail channels. So you might only ||| get Vista Business in future subscription updates, as Vista Enterprise ||| will only be available for Volume License customers through Enterprise ||| Agreement. ||| ||| My understanding is, for the MSDN license agreement, the software is not ||| suppose to be used on production systems, its licensed to one machine, ||| if you install software from it on another machine, you have to ||| purchase an additional license for that machine. ||| -- ||| -- ||| Andre ||| Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com ||| Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com ||| Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre ||| http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta ||| ||| "Tom Lake" wrote in message ||| ||||| About $450 American .. half a grand .. more than the cost of many PCs! ||||| But ||||| it will have a lot of stuff one will never use, so it will be worth ||||| it. :) ||||| ||||| I'm pretty sure I'm going install it (or Vista B) on something. ||||| Although it ||||| may not be my "main" computer. For that either it, or Vista B, or stay ||||| with ||||| Server 2003 (as a workstation) .. |||| |||| Well it looks like I'll be talking my bosses into renewing our MSDN |||| subscription! |||| |||| 8^) |||| |||| Tom Lake